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Unread 08-05-2014, 08:59 AM   #1
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The problem at Ducati

Pretty interesting read. Given their struggles to make podium not that hard to believe either.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ra...lem-at-ducati/
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Of course when a reasonable counterpoint to your unreasonable complaint is given, you "don't want to argue about it anymore".
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Unread 08-05-2014, 09:17 AM   #2
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what, making all the bolts 7, 8 and 9mm isnt a good idea?

to be fair though, if i was working on the same damn thing all the time...i wouldn't need to know what bolts were what...you would think they would start to get that muscle memory and know what went where.

but them being dicks to work for doesn't surprise me in the least, they are the Ferrari of motorcycles after all.
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Unread 08-05-2014, 02:30 PM   #3
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great read. it doesn't surprise me either the culture there sucks. i wonder how it'll change now that they're under audi ownership...

back in the day i was really into mazda rx-7 turbo's. all the fasterers are either 10, 14, or 17mm, it made the car very easy to work on. those gp bikes have thousands of dollars in fasterers, they're mostly m6, and m8 bolts/nuts. they can simply order them to have all the same size heads. it doesn't surprise me that a big time engineer (no hands on exp) doesn't see a problem...
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Unread 08-05-2014, 04:11 PM   #4
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uly 19, 2012 – present — Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A.[1]
AUDI AG acquired 100% of the voting rights of Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. via Audi's Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. subsidiary
Ducati has been under "german ownership" for 2 years already...
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Unread 08-05-2014, 06:30 PM   #5
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You can take a KTM entirely apart with a 10 and 8mm wrench, and a 4 and 5mm Allen wrench. I doubt being German owned will change the [sarcasm] awesome Italian Engineering [/sarcasm]
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Unread 08-06-2014, 01:45 PM   #6
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it doesn't surprise me that a big time engineer (no hands on exp) doesn't see a problem...
You just nailed the problem on the head. Engineers are the ones designing the motorcycles, and they are not gathering input from the people that have to manufacture, measure or service the motorcycles post production. This is the same problem that the automotive industry is having.
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Worse than the engineers are these fucking quality system guys with ISO this, PPAP that, jumping jobs skipping deal's gap trips getting engaged... those are the guys to REALLY watch out for..
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Worse than the engineers are these fucking quality system guys with ISO this, PPAP that, jumping jobs skipping deal's gap trips getting engaged... those are the guys to REALLY watch out for..
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GREAT article!! Can't believe the fastener situation, nor that they'd "dismiss" Valy's input!!






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