You know you're in the South when......

[don2070]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/30/burglary.shooting.ap/index.html

[hellsnat]

That's awesome!

[Natedog]

That's awesome!

x2:deathmetal::gattling2:

[hellsnat]

I love how the title of the story is "Man who killed burglary suspects cleared."

Like the two guys were there to let the dog out for the family or something.

They were BURGLARS!

I hate it how when you watch Cops or some police video footage show and they have the crook on video, then refer to them as innocent until proven guilty. Um, I'm thinking the video footage just summed that up for me. That's an easy one.

[Natedog]

then they ended up being from where? columbia and one was a ex drug smuggler or something like that. He's lucky to be alive after confronting them, kinda funny how they came onto his property but then he shot them in the back... But they are still calling him a racist... :huh: They got what they deserved. Texas don't mess around, I think in texas if you find your wife cheating on you it's legal to shoot and kill her and they guy. That would be cool.

[fasterbusa]

Texas is an interesting place.

One of their laws and I think it is still in force, is that it is legal to kill anyone who comes onto your property for any reason, if they do not have permission to be on your property.

Pretty cool.

[marc_padin]

Did the "killers" or may I say burglars have guns too? Shooting in the back? Something a little fishy on this one... Cops can't kill you but the guy next door can that is great.

[hellsnat]

Did the "killers" or may I say burglars have guns too? Shooting in the back? Something a little fishy on this one.

I'm not 100% sure they were shot in the back. Just like the writer of the article wasn't 100% sure they were burglars.

(sorry, trying to make a funny right there)

[fasterbusa]

It is a very simple philosophy.
If you do not want to get shot, do not be a bad guy.

Very simple to understand.

[Natedog]

I'm not 100% sure they were shot in the back. Just like the writer of the article wasn't 100% sure they were burglars.

(sorry, trying to make a funny right there)

Horn confronted the men with a 12-gauge shotgun and shot both in the back

[Natedog]

Texas is an interesting place.

One of their laws and I think it is still in force, is that it is legal to kill anyone who comes onto your property for any reason, if they do not have permission to be on your property.

Pretty cool.

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they are in mortal danger. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect a neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.

It's not clear whether the neighbor whose home was burglarized asked Horn to watch over his house.

[marc_padin]

Horn confronted the men with a 12-gauge shotgun and shot both in the back

Yep... nothing really funny there

[don2070]

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they are in mortal danger. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect a neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.

It's not clear whether the neighbor whose home was burglarized asked Horn to watch over his house.

I'd hate to be the mailman or the water meter reader :bs:

[fasterbusa]

Well, the mail man and the water meter reader are supposed to be there.

[jgreen]

It is a very simple philosophy.
If you do not want to get shot, do not be a bad guy.

Very simple to understand.

My Grandpa used to tell me, "don't start shit, and there won't be none."

[jgreen]

I am sure someone could dig up the statistics (where's Vash when you need him), but I would be willing to bet that Burglury, and Home Invasions are lower in Texas than say Washington DC.

Like Webb said, the mailman and meter reader are not there to rob, rape or Kill you. Bottom line is, if you are going on to someone elses property, uninvited, you better make your presence and intentions known.

Bleeding hearts like to blame gun owners, but they should be blaming the scumbag criminals that make us feel the need to carry a gun. :rant: over

[don2070]

Well, the mail man and the water meter reader are supposed to be there.

Even if they are, who's to say that Cletus doesn't think they should be and pulls out the 12 gauge :laughing:

[hellsnat]

Even if they are, who's to say that Cletus doesn't think they should be and pulls out the 12 gauge :laughing:

Well, I think when Cletus yelled stop or I'll shoot, any meter reader or mail person would have instantly stopped and dropped to the ground, and tried to explain what was going on.

I still think this is a great story. I feel for the guy that shot them, he will have to live with that for the rest of his life, but on the other hand. I bet the home invasion near him is non existent now.


Oh, and I hear he is going to be on Good Morning America.

I can't wait to see how the liberals rip this guy apart. I hope he is strong enough to take it and come back with good answers.

[SynisterRR]

:popcorn: This is funny.. I love Texas.

[xboxdynasty]

I've got a corollary to this story:

My step brother is a cop. He gets called into an attempted home invasion. Turns out a man was crawling in some guys window. The homeowner grabbed his hunting bow aimed it at the criminal halfway in the window. He said, "Stop, I have a weapon." The criminal then proceeded to to continue apparently not believing him. The man shot the suspect with the compound bow at three foot range went through his left shoulder and out midway down his right back. The homeowner talked to my brother while he was on the way to the scene to investigate. Explained what had happened and my brother said, "Do me a favor and pull him the rest of the way in the window."

Self defense/home invasion no charges were ever filed.

That's southern Illinois for ya.

Crime doesn't pay and stupidity makes it a lot more difficult. LOL.

[fasterbusa]

One still has to abide by the existing laws.
One would have a difficult time trying to explain how the mail man came to be shot when it is his job to deliver the mail. Of course, if the mail man was there at 3am attempting to rape and rob the homeowner, then that is different.

Too many people begin saying silly "what if" things when these types of discussions come up.
We should try to stick to the facts as best as possible in an attempt to hold a civil discussion, not inject fairy tail crap such as "What about this and what about that" in an effort to either be stupid or corrupt the argument.

[don2070]

One still has to abide by the existing laws.
One would have a difficult time trying to explain how the mail man came to be shot when it is his job to deliver the mail. Of course, if the mail man was there at 3am attempting to rape and rob the homeowner, then that is different.

Too many people begin saying silly "what if" things when these types of discussions come up.
We should try to stick to the facts as best as possible in an attempt to hold a civil discussion, not inject fairy tail crap such as "What about this and what about that" in an effort to either be stupid or corrupt the argument.

What's wrong with a little humor? :confused:

[SynisterRR]

I've got a corollary to this story:

My step brother is a cop. He gets called into an attempted home invasion. Turns out a man was crawling in some guys window. The homeowner grabbed his hunting bow aimed it at the criminal halfway in the window. He said, "Stop, I have a weapon." The criminal then proceeded to to continue apparently not believing him. The man shot the suspect with the compound bow at three foot range went through his left shoulder and out midway down his right back. The homeowner talked to my brother while he was on the way to the scene to investigate. Explained what had happened and my brother said, "Do me a favor and pull him the rest of the way in the window."

Self defense/home invasion no charges were ever filed.

That's southern Illinois for ya.

Crime doesn't pay and stupidity makes it a lot more difficult. LOL.

Pull him the rest of the way in the window :laughing:

[fasterbusa]

Aha, humor.
Well, if one is attempting to be funny in a gun thread, then one should make sure that they use the emoticons for the sake of clarity.

In gun threads, too often anti-gun people chime in with statements like those posted above.

It then becomes difficult to tell if one is being humorous or one is being anti-gun.

In many different topics, it often does not matter.

In "gun threads", "my wife/child/husband just died" threads, and other's of the type, differentiation between humor and non-humor would be appreciated.

So, this would mean that you are not anti-gun?
Great news! We need all of them that "we" can get!

[don2070]

Aha, humor.
Well, if one is attempting to be funny in a gun thread, then one should make sure that they use the emoticons for the sake of clarity.

In gun threads, too often anti-gun people chime in with statements like those posted above.

It then becomes difficult to tell if one is being humorous or one is being anti-gun.

In many different topics, it often does not matter.

In "gun threads", "my wife/child/husband just died" threads, and other's of the type, differentiation between humor and non-humor would be appreciated.

So, this would mean that you are not anti-gun?
Great news! We need all of them that "we" can get!

The post was never meant to be for or against guns. The article was an incident that probably wouldn't have ended the same way had it not been in the south. I'm pro guns man. My H & K .45 protects my residence :gattling2:

[xboxdynasty]

Aha, humor.
Well, if one is attempting to be funny in a gun thread, then one should make sure that they use the emoticons for the sake of clarity.

In gun threads, too often anti-gun people chime in with statements like those posted above.

It then becomes difficult to tell if one is being humorous or one is being anti-gun.

In many different topics, it often does not matter.

In "gun threads", "my wife/child/husband just died" threads, and other's of the type, differentiation between humor and non-humor would be appreciated.

So, this would mean that you are not anti-gun?
Great news! We need all of them that "we" can get!

lay off the serious juice you're making my sense of humor die

[fasterbusa]

H&K makes a lot of sweet weapons!
Which 45 do you have?

[don2070]

H&K makes a lot of sweet weapons!
Which 45 do you have?

I've got the USP 220 compact :machinegunsmiley:

[zx7Ryder]

If you haven't listened to the actual audio of his conversation with the 911 operator, I suggest you do so. He was repeatedly told not to go outside. It was clear he was insistent on going outside although he was safe within his own home. You can also hear him chamber the shotgun as he makes statements to the operator, "did you heard that" and "i'm about to go". Seconds later, you can here him fire his shotgun. If he felt he was justified why suggest you were threatened first. My point is, what's the point of a justice system if you can just take matters into you own hands? He did is duty by calling the authorities.

[fasterbusa]

That would be one of the differences between living where he does and living in other places.
Often, the laws and how those laws are applied are different from local to local.

It is real simple though, don't be a bad guy and the opportunity for this to happen (to bad guys) drops dramatically.

[hellsnat]

It is real simple though, don't be a bad guy and the opportunity for this to happen (to bad guys) drops dramatically.

Bingo!

[hellsnat]

Just watched the Good Morning America with this guy on it.

How come people can't be honest.

The liberal media tried to turn it around to make him out to be a guy walking down the street shooting anyone that he felt didn't need to be there.

One burglar was shot in the side, and the other in the back. Both shots were taken within 5, maybe 7 seconds. Probably more like 3 seconds.

If you want to pick this apart, lets start with both of these guys were illegals, and one if not both were already arrested and charged with crimes, and deported.

So for someone to say leave it in the Law's hand, well, apparently that didn't work either.

So rather than pick this guy apart for doing what he felt was the thing to do. What is the fix? Lets try to come up with some "real" fixes.

:smilepopcorn:

[Flip]

I agree with most of what you said my only problem is this case after listening to this guys 911 call it seems as if ihe kinda went looking for the trouble and all these guys where doing is harming property (which is wrong) which is why we have insurance and cops now if there was human life invovled id be over there in a second. I am a gun owner and i think this guy gave a bad wrap to us gun owners its said that you can protect your life or someone elses but who cares about the property. I believe if the guy would have stayed inside none of this would have happened and if they came to his window than by all means protect yourself but to me it seems some what by going outside he went looking for trouble. just my :2cents:

[hellsnat]

Flip, I can see your point.

In the GMA interview he said one criminal had a tire iron, and they were in his front yard.

Playing the "what if" game, I'd say they were going to die one way or another. Either breaking into his house, or with him trying to help out the police by going outside to get information on a get away car or descriptions of the criminals.

They were in his front yard when he shot them.

And to bring this full circle, we lost a beautiful member of the Coast Guard recently, she was strangled by a "Criminal" with no weapon. This happened in Corpus Christi TX.

http://www.sooeveningnews.com/articles/2008/06/05/news/news246.txt

I will be watching this case. I just wish she had a neighbor like Joe Horn, and maybe this wouldn't have ever happened.

My hat is off to Joe for stepping up and taking care of business!

[hellsnat]

Oh, and the 911 tape was not the full phone call. This came out in the GMA interview.

Here we go with the liberal media manufacturing a story to try to make a good citizen look bad.

Didn't work for me!

[Flip]

I'm not saying those guys didnt have it coming i just believe in "that" case he should have stayed indoors and like i said before if i thought there was even a chance at harm to human life i wouldnt even think twice. Proud of the guy for standing up just dont think he needed to go looking for it.

[hellsnat]

I totally understand your point.

But how often do we see someone get hurt, and people just stand there and watch?

What if those criminals had kidnapped a kid, and, well, you know.

We would have been ripping that guy apart for not leaving the house with a gun.

It's easy to play arm chair quarterback after the fact. But if it were any one of us (and I think we all know who you are) we would have poked our heads outside to take a peek. And if they were in our front yard, we would have done the same thing.

[Flip]

your right i would have. and your right its 20/20 now but just listening to that guy talk in just this "one" case he sounded like he was looking for a fight. now that could have been fear but when he asks the dispatcher if heard that when he chambered the gun seems like he was going hunting. i believe every case is differant and in this case i think he just got a little power happy. i feel for the guy tho now he will live with that forever.

[hellsnat]

your right i would have. and your right its 20/20 now but just listening to that guy talk in just this "one" case he sounded like he was looking for a fight. now that could have been fear but when he asks the dispatcher if heard that when he chambered the gun seems like he was going hunting. i believe every case is differant and in this case i think he just got a little power happy. i feel for the guy tho now he will live with that forever.


Yeah, your right, he did sound overly happy about chambering the gun.

That audio made him out to be on a mission.

One part of the audio that got me was when the operator said, if you go out side your going to get killed. I'm wondering if that might have been a spark for Joe.

But your 100% right, that portion of the call doesn't look good at all!

[fasterbusa]

Well Matt, the good news is that Texas has the death penalty and they enjoy using it on scum like this clown who killed that Coasty girl. A damm shame. RIP.

Again, for people who were not born in Texas or have not lived there, Texans are a group separate from the rest of the USA and they are very proud of that fact.

Texans are very acceptable of the old philosophy "he needed killin". It solves lots of the problems and helps to keep the bad guys at bay.

Some people do not understand this mind set and find it hard to accept or beleive. All one can say is that this event happened in Texas and the LEO's in Texas did not feel that this man had done anything wrong, ergo, he was not charged.

Certainly, if this exact same episode unfolded in another town (San Fran, DC, Chicago, Et AL) the legal outcomes might be very different.

Many Texans beleive that taking care of their neighbors is very important and something that an American just does.

One thing many of them know, is that news gets around that if you are a bad guy trying to operate in "this" area (in which ever area this happened) you will get killed by the residents. This helps keep the bad guys away from that area and sends them to another area.

It is very easy to say that a property crime is no big deal. Often, people who have never had their stuff stolen and their property (house, car, etc) trashed like to say these things. Not all that many people who have been victims of this type of crime feel all warm and fuzzy when it happened.

Is it wrong to kill to protect property?
Well, in some placed it is against the law. Of course, sometimes being against the law does not make it wrong. It would mean that it is a bad law. However, that is a different topic.

It often seems like crimes against property are increasing. I know that most people enjoy the feeling that while they are away from there homes, at work, play, vacation, that their home and property is safe.

I would guess that this guy's neighborhood is pretty safe for a while.

Of course, as we always mention, it is difficult to accurately discuss these kinds of stories as we do not know what actually happened. More often than not, newspaper articles are not acurate in their depiction of what happened.

[pickle.of.doom]

Yeah, I heard the tapes, this guy wasn't protecting shit, he was hunting illegals... You aren't protecting yourself from "Mortal Danger" when you shoot two guys who are trying to run away in the back. You know Texas is the good ol' boys club, so of course the white redneck texan is going to win over the dirty criminal illegals. This guy took the law into his own hands and wanted to teach these guys a lesson. He tried, found guilty, sentenced, and carried out said sentence all by himself, and apparantly decided that death is a good sentence for B & E...


It will probably go the same way as OJ did, if those guys have any family here. "Sure, we know he was guilty, but we have a million rednecks all armed to the teeth here and we are afraid to call this guy guilty... so we will clear the charges, and then you can sue him for seventy billion dollars in civil court and win, all will be happy"


Just my opinion on this story.

[jgreen]

Yeah, I heard the tapes, this guy wasn't protecting shit, he was hunting illegals... You aren't protecting yourself from "Mortal Danger" when you shoot two guys who are trying to run away in the back. You know Texas is the good ol' boys club, so of course the white redneck texan is going to win over the dirty criminal illegals. This guy took the law into his own hands and wanted to teach these guys a lesson. He tried, found guilty, sentenced, and carried out said sentence all by himself, and apparantly decided that death is a good sentence for B & E...


It will probably go the same way as OJ did, if those guys have any family here. "Sure, we know he was guilty, but we have a million rednecks all armed to the teeth here and we are afraid to call this guy guilty... so we will clear the charges, and then you can sue him for seventy billion dollars in civil court and win, all will be happy"


Just my opinion on this story.

Right, and this whole thing could have been avoided several times before they got shot. First, If they are "illegals", they should not be here in the first place. Second, keep your sorry ass out of someone elses home. Once again we are blaming the guy with the gun. Did he go too far? In my opinion, yes. Would I have shot them in the back? No. That said, If they would not have broken the law, and entered someone elses house, they would still be alive.

[pickle.of.doom]

Yeah, I'm not trying to stick up for them, but just going off the feeling I got from listening to the tapes and the details of where and how they got shot, I don't think this guy's excuse about protecting himself flies.

[jgreen]

Yeah, I'm not trying to stick up for them, but just going off the feeling I got from listening to the tapes and the details of where and how they got shot, I don't think this guy's excuse about protecting himself flies.


LOL! I agree that it is a little sketchy at best. He would be in Prison in any other state for sure.

[Duner]

Guys,
wasnt this like a year back or more?:rolleyes:

I'm with our club pres on this one.


Anyways,
Those two guys could have been the home owner's wife's secret "pull a train lovers"
and the police woud never know the difference.